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Art and body.

I've been feeling the need for new body art. More ink to go along with my two pieces so far. Often, I fantasize about somehow incorporating the black rose on my left arm into a half or quarter sleeve.

But the trick is finding a way to do that without ruining the beauty and significance of the rose.

Chaos and order. These two terms have been floating in my mind for weeks now, if not years. It was one of the inspirations behind the black rose tattoo... (apologies to those reading this story for the umpteenth time) I adopted that symbol from Corwin, the lead character and narrator from Roger Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber book series. Corwin, and later his son Merlin, struggled to find a balance between the ever-lasting war between these two ideologies, and in the end reluctantly took the side of order... but just barely.

I've often felt my life has been a similar struggle. I find myself in periods of either amazing calmness, or complete disruption and calamity. Very rarely do I find the happy medium, but I do enjoy it when I do. While I am certainly not a believer nor fan of astrology, I admit there is definitely some appropriateness to my own birth sign under the Zodiac pantheon - Libra, the great scale.

I've been doing a little searching online for other symbols depicting chaos and order. Unfortunately, the only symbol that comes up with a direct tie-in is the yin/yang symbol. I can't identify with this one at all. I find it completely overdone, ties to philosophies/religious beliefs I do not follow, and resembles the SM Triskeli symbol (which I can't stand, by the way) for me to ever use it.

On my right arm is my cutting - a memorial piece depicting a fallen angel. My mind has sometimes drifted towards having chaos on one side of my body, and order on the other. Of course, this would do away with my thoughts of a sleeve, certainly. Also, I don't think anything I could come up with would truly integrate with my cutting, nor do I think I would want it to. I think that arm should be left alone... for now.

I have briefly considered my back as a spot, but I have this thing about tattooing my back. I want to be able to see my ink comfortably and easily at all times. On my back? Not so much.

So, my friendly readers... what symbols come up in your mind when you think of the terms chaos and order?


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Jul. 29th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC)
An old friend of mine, of whom you remind me from time to time, used to use the symbol for Chaos but with one of the eight being longer than the other. He said it was "organized chaos" or something. (It's been a long time.) It was basically his symbolic representation of giving chaos some direction.

I used to use the symbol for Order but I made it pointy at both ends. It always reminds me that everyones' order is different. As they say, "your kink is not my kink but your kink is okay" if that makes any sense.
Jul. 29th, 2007 03:06 am (UTC)
Are you referring to this (ignore the tacky skull in the middle)?

It was my understanding that this symbol comes from the Warhammer game. I'm not sure if I want something game-derived as my tattoo. Then again, I took my rose from a series of novels targeted towards teenagers, so who am I to talk? *laughing*
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Jul. 29th, 2007 03:03 am (UTC)
When I think of a graphic for chaos and order, I see in my mind's eye a mass of crazy lines (perhaps on the shoulder) that align themselves into an order as they move down the arm, or vice versa.

I believe that chaos and order are two sides of a coin.

Jul. 29th, 2007 03:07 am (UTC)
Hmmm... interesting. Yes, I definitely agree with the "two sides of a coin" bit.

Your thought intrigues me. Would you mind if I one day asked you to draw up the graphic as you see it?
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Jul. 29th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
What's interesting is the order that exists in chaos theory.
it is actually very precise.

Jul. 29th, 2007 03:15 am (UTC)
As a mathemetician, for me chaos and order are graphically embodied in fractals. I'd think a strange attractor could make a good tattoo, too. You can see pics of them at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_attractor

Less geekily, is interesting...
Jul. 29th, 2007 03:26 am (UTC)
Very interesting! Thank you!
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Jul. 29th, 2007 05:46 am (UTC)
Not that I'm suggesting this but ...
I like the black rose.
But it's rather sentimental to me...considering.

The rose represents order, with its orderly progression of 5 petal spirals, and clusters of 5 leaves, and links to orderly English gardens and romantic love.

The "black" represents chaos. Black is darkness, the unconcious, the beast, the shadow side of self, unordered and unbounded boundriless degraded exquisite love...

I did this drawing when I was 16...

Whole picture

...Not that I am suggesting this, the imagery is er...not exactly you, but thought you'd find it interesting.

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Jul. 30th, 2007 03:55 pm (UTC)
In the theme of the moorcock novel's, Wendy Pini did a book of illustrations for "Law and Chaos," really great stuff. She did a simple symbol for both law and chaos, a vertical line with an arrow at either end and something like the warhammer picture you posted above but without the circles. If you wanted something more complex I think she might have had other graphics in the book.
Jul. 30th, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC)
The Discordian Sacred Chao
Represents Chaos and Order - at the same time. Wouldnt have anything to do with a Rose. See the Icon.
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Jul. 31st, 2007 08:28 pm (UTC)
IMHO, fractals are wayy too structured to represent chaos.

how about Pandora's box? lots of interesting graphic possibilities...
Aug. 1st, 2007 02:57 am (UTC)
the golden apple of discordia is the first thing i think of for "chaos." golden apple, usually with a K in it, like the one in the chaos/order symbol someone posted about already. If i recall correctly, the apple is a symbol of causing chaos because kallisti (hence the K), throws it into a group and it's supposed to go to the fairest/prettiest one. Everyone starts fighting over it, so: chaos.
Aug. 6th, 2007 08:36 am (UTC)
Our brain
I have been thinking about a fractal tattoo for years! I've got some books we can look at.
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